June 24, 2011

Converting a Van to a Camper in Ireland

PLEASE NOTE: There are two significant changes to the law regarding camper vans in Ireland.

The first is straight forward: As of March 1st 2012 camper vans must have a roadworthiness certificate which they can get from their local tax office after passing a CVT (DOE) at a relevant test centre. See here for details.

The second is less so: The RSA say "Motor caravans / motor homes / camper vans are a special-purpose vehicle which include living accommodation. As of 29th April 2012 they will be required to adhere to ECWVTA approval before it can be registered for road use in Ireland." This means that if you have a new unregistered vehicle you must supply proof that your van has been coverted by a professional.

There is a lot of confusion in Ireland on how to convert your vehicle to a 'camper van' under the eyes of the law. Previously you had to have 1.8m of  height inside the converted van and it was down to your local tax office official whether or not pop tops counted. Position of the moon and planetary alignments were rumored to help.

Being a legal camper van has a lot of benefits over a commercial vehicle; cheaper road tax, rear seats, reassurance of having conversion contents fully insured and being able to carry bicycles and kayaks without worry - commercial drivers have to sign a wavier that the commercial vehicle is only for commercial use.

Fortunately the height restriction has now been waved and the system formalised. Everything now goes through Rosslare. Naturally there are a few forms to complete on the way and obstacles to be overcome. I shall try to explain them as simply as possible here. Before I start be aware that (as of Dec 2011) not every County Council knows that the system has changed.

I'll divide the process into three steps (obstacles some may say):
1. Revenue
2. Motor Tax
3. Insurance

1. Revenue:

Step One: Have a suitable van converted. The definition of a motor caravan is included here:
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So to be a camper you need, seats, table, bed, cupboards and cooking facilities. Happily absent from this list is a sink and of course 1.8 m of interior height.

Update: the insurance company may require a sink and rear windows to be fitted. Before you hand over your van for a conversion or DIY check with the prospective brokers or insurance company. They actually require more than revenue do.

See this link for full explanation of the categories. For T4 and T5's: A VW Caravelle would be category M, a  VW Transporter panel van would be N1 "Category N1: having a maximum mass not exceeding 3.5 tonnes (7,700 lb)". A light commercial vehicle in other words. This appears to rule out converting a larger Crafter or Sprinter van.

Step 2: You need two pieces of paper. 

Piece of paper 1: You need to have the conversion inspected by a Suitably Qualified Individual (SQI). Note the definition of a SQI at the end of the attached paper. They have to write up a Declaration of Conversion by Suitably Qualified Individual. Here is the suggested template for such a declaration from revenue.



There are three ways to get a SQI (assessor) to check your van.

1: Ring Motor Assessors Ireland on 066 710 7200. They will supply you with contact details of an assessor 
    close to you. The assessor will come to your house and inspect your vehicle. This will cost you about 
    200 - 250 Euro.
2: Go to an Approved Test Centre. The details of these are available from your local motor tax office. In
    Co. Clare they are in Clarecastle 065 6820297, Darragh 065 6838820 and Milltown 065 7084039. This
    will cost you about 80 euro.
3: Find one yourself.

Piece of paper 2: You need to fill out a Declaration of Conversion by Vehicle Owner (VRTCONV). Follow the link, scroll down the page and there is a Word and/or PDF form 2nd and 3rd from the end. Note: this form needs a SQI stamp so have it ready when you go to the test centre or when the assessor comes to your home. It looks like this:



Step 3: Send the two declarations with the Vehicle Registration Certificate (your logbook) to 
            Central Vehicle Office, 
            Rosslare Harbour,
            Co. Wexford

Rosslare will look at the current market value of a similar vehicle and charge you 13.3% of that as VRT. They say to use Done Deal or Buy and Sell to get a ballpark figure of what this will be. They will then reclassify your vehicle by post if its pre-2005 or online if after. Here's their guide to VRT:



In addition to the forms you must submit images of the conversion to Rosslare. The exterior must be covered from all sides, so a minimum of four photos there, plus 5 or 6 shots (at least) of the interior. I sent about 20 photos and was not asked for more. You can be selective in what you show in your photos while fulfilling the requirements.

My van, a 04 2.5 TDI tailgate, rear side windows, two forward and two rear seats, basic storage, 2 ring gas stove, 19" alloy wheels (no time to change them temporarily to steels), was valued at 10,000 Euro. So I paid 13.3 % of that to revenue in Ennis. Who didn't know what to do with it so they sent it to Rosslare. I got the same logbook back from Rosslare with a handwritten note and stamp on it and a letter to bring to the motor tax office. I have to say in all my dealings with Rosslare they were very helpful at all times.


2. Motor Tax 
I rang a couple of tax offices in Clare (Ennis and Ennistymon) to see what they needed from me. They both told me I'd need to bring the van for an inspection and I needed amongst the usual stuff a sink and 1.8 m in height. I'd already fitted a sink in advance of the insurance but nearly dropped when they said 1.8 m? A heated discussion ensued and I probably owe a civil servant in Ennistymon an apology. After cooling off, a quick phone call to Rosslare gave me some ammunition with this link. Go to pages 64 and 65. I printed them off to wave at the person behind the glass.


I went to the tax office in Limerick with my logbook, revenue cover letter, insurance, DOE. I didn't need to quote the EU directive from the link above, nobody looked at the van, there was no mention of a sink or 1.8m of internal height. I walked out with a camper tax disc and a promise of a new log book in the post. Phew.

3. Insurance

I went with Dolmen Insurance. They needed an application form filled out by me, photos of the van and an Irish Brokers Association Camper Scheme Form completed by an SIMI registered garage or a main dealer.  I also gave them a list of the specification of the van, inside and out., as their form hasn't enough space. The 'Camper Scheme Form' is available from Dolmen's website, I don't quite understand why this has to be done as it's not camper specific, it checks if the vehicle is roadworthy but is not as thorough as the DOE. It can be completed in about 20 mins by a mechanic in an SIMI garage.

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Process complete!!! Hooray!! The hardest part I found was finding out what was needed and dealing with the motor tax office. Realising that the insurance company wanted a sink in the camper was a bit of a bump as I'd almost finished when I found out.  Additionally I don't think you have to have to have a crash tested rear seat: I think a rock and roll bed with seat belts would pass (the moral choice obviously is yours).

If I'd have known it all before the van would look a lot different.

As I've said; I had no trouble with Rosslare at all, they were very helpful. They did return my form to me once but that's because the 'Suitably Qualified Individual' filled it out wrong. If you have any problems ring them on the number above.

I hope this post will be of use to some people going through the same process.

23 comments:

  1. great bit of info, i'll stick a link on my site you here, cheers
    jon

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  2. Thanks for the excellent blog! Any ideas regarding windows...I don´t see any mention of them? Are they necessary for a conversion?

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  3. I don't know for sure but I'd imagine if necessary they would have been specified on the form.

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  4. Do you know what the EU bodywork category is for a Ford Transit short wheel base conversion? I think it is a category M1 (from an N1) but the EU bodyworks should be something like AA, AB, AC etc. We sent off the forms to Rosslare but they have been returned because we filled out the bodyworks category wrong. The notes are no help as they just list stuff like Saloon, Coupe, convertable etc and there is no reference to a campervan. I phoned Rosslare and they were most unhelpfull, wouldn't tell me saying look on the internet or get the suitable Qualified Individual to do it. He also questioned our SQI saying they might not be acceptable although it is a test Centre (in Miltown Malaby Co Clare) I am fed up with the whole process.

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  5. Looking at this link http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/revised-vehicle-classification.html a converted van M1 or N1 van should be category B. But don't take my word for it. I think it's unacceptable for a civil servant (who probably knows the answer) to say 'look at the internet'. As for the SQI; if Clare Coco is telling us that there are 3 test centres and Milltown Malbay is one of them then the problem lies between Revenue and Clare Coco, not you. I'd write a couple of complaint letters and also tell the test centre that they have been brought into question - I'm sure they won't be impressed by that. I'm not looking forward to sending mine in after reading your post! Please get back to me when you're done to let us know pitfalls and costs. Best of luck.

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  6. hi Bluetdi
    I have a granvia 3.0td 8 seater. im putting a side kitchen with a rocknroll bed in it and removing the seats.. The vrt has been paid for this mpv already. Can you answer me will this be enough of a change to deem it a camper and does it fall into the right class,.(M1,M2,M3) also would i have to pay vrt again.

    regards

    bones

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  7. Official documents can be found here: http://www.revenue.ie/en/tax/vrt/forms/vehicle-conversion-declaration.pdf

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  8. just spotted. there is an added line in the new VOD of conversion docu.
    its total cost of conversion inc vat.
    MUST be accompanied by receipts showing dates and amounts. that could be a sticky one and whats that about?
    (Barry the granvia man)

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    1. Hi Barry,

      Sorry about not replying to original question but it was a couple of months before I saw it.

      Re the receipts for dates and amounts: I noticed that but thankfully my form didn't have it on so I didn't have to tackle it. I did however keep receipts from the conversion as I was interested in how much it would cost so I could have submitted receipts for everything from wood, paint to seat swivel and split charge relay.

      Everything bought online would be easy to receipt for anyway. Secondhand stuff from done deal etc would be slightly harder but a little creativity would produce some form of receipt.

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    2. wow. i got cawleys in sligo to sqi my van and sent off all documents to revenue. just got paperwork back from revenue. i now am the proud owner of a camper and didnt have to pay vrt as it came in as a minibus 2 years ago and paid 30% back then. ( thankfully previous owner paid ). all in all a painless experience. this will all change in april as the rules get tighter AGAIN so get cracking with your conversions.
      ( Granvia Man )

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    3. Hi there,

      Nice work on the conversion. How will the rules change again?

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    4. hi mate i think the new law applies to brand new vehicles according to the rsa website,with a view to include older vehicles in the future,if you want to check just go to the rsa website and type in 29 april and it definately states new vehicles cheers marc

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  9. Thanks very much for your excellent blog - lots of the information here is putting my mind at rest! This really is a gold mine in the typical fug of Irish local authority rules!

    I am planning on converting a Tranporter myself soon and will be using this information fromt he very start. Thanks again!

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  10. hi there, what a fantastic site, this answered all our questions regarding converting a van to camper in ireland! However I would like to ask a couple of things if you don't mind, I am looking to buy a mercedes 208d (1995) van from a friend to convert to a camper. Dolmen insurance said that we must have a clear walkway from front to back of vehicle which means removing the 2 passenger seats upfront and replacing with a single swivel seat, also, as we have a 9 month old baby we must have a forward facing seat in the back with a 3 point seatbelt on it for children, is this going to be too much like hard work, i.e. finding parts (it also needs a couple of new doors!) the van is 1000 euro and we are prepared to spend another 1000 to fix it up and get it registered. Engine good just needs tyres and a service.Crazy or possible??!! Thanks and well done on a great site.

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    1. hi willow!i was reading this site,cos i want do conversion is well!and i suggest you 1 think to check :i read on the net the new law is comming 29 of april,about conversion,some stupid eu regulations,and that would mean,that after this date you cannot convert it yourself,check that up,and if you find some more info,i will be glad to hear it...good luck jozef

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  11. Hi, great blog...gave me loads of info on the legal side of things.
    Im in the prcess of doing a conversion quite similar to yours with the bench seat along the side behind the drives and will have no rock n roll bed either.
    Just wondering did the Revenue want seatbelts fitted in the rear for the bench seat?

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  12. Hi guys, first of all apologies for delays, I'm abroad.

    Willow; yes I think you can find two doors and fit a 3 point seat belt in back for under 1000, if you are prepared to search breakers yards and do some or all of the work yourself. Or maybe you know someone handy.

    Presuming the 2 passenger seats are a bench seat; you could move these into the back as I'm guessing one of them is a 3 point belt. Then a single seat for upfront can be sourced from a scrapyard. A cheap swivel will be harder to find and is not immediately necessary, you could add it later.

    Anonymous: There was no official line on seat belts from revenue but they do specify seats. If you have seat belts they will be tested by the SQI. If you don't then this could be a tricky issue as the SQI will confirm how many seats you now have and that will go on your new log book, if the SQI says 'no seat belts, no seats' then Revenue may not consider it a conversion. Do you follow? Best to ring Rosslare to check, they are very helpful. Remember to check with insurance companies as to what they need as well as revenue.

    Obviously you're not insured to carry passengers if a seat has no seat belt.

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  13. Hi, great blog, very informative.
    Am I correct in saying that from April 2012 there will be no such thing as a homebuild?
    That all work in conversion must be carried out by a workshop?
    Is it going to be this prohibitive from now on?
    Regards,
    Michael

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  14. What a great blog post. Thanks.

    I am actually searching for a cheap van for summer adventures during 1-3 years (we are a young couple and new in Ireland).
    I am doubting between 2 vans. The first is a cheap Nissan van from 1995 (900 EUR) which is classified as commercial vehicle and has just some boxes/matrasses inside and no side windows. Do you think it is a risk to pass the test for another year while the test for commercial vehicles might be more difficult to pass?

    The other is a Toyota van from 1984 (2200 EUR). It is a camper, but I was wondering if the seller was selling it because of new regulations I am not aware of.. are there new tests for which this camper maybe can not pass / or are there since last year new papers necessary?

    Other question: is it easy for a newbie in Ireland to get insurance for a commercial van or a campervan? Huge differences in price or not?

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  15. Hi guys. Firstly Michael; I'm not 100% on the April deadline for home builds but that's what a converter has told me.

    Secondly Anonymous; Not quite sure what you mean with the Nissan. It will have to a commercial test? The Toyota is v. cheap for a camper, but the price probably reflects the condition? It will also have to do a test almost identical to the commercial test. So I guess you need to know what the real condition is of both vehicle before deciding, but bear in mind the commercial with boxes and a mattress inside isn't a legal camper.

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  16. Wow, that's a thorough post! I guess I'll have to call all these places... gotta pass DOE by June (tax expires in June). My baby is a Transporter, always reg'd as commercial but I bought it converted. Has no sink. Back seat is rock and roll - don't particularly want to make it a legal passenger seat with seat belts (I'm happy enough carrying just one passenger in the front), but you say insurance company might require it if I want to insure as a camper, right? Do you know if I could register as a camper and insure as a private car?

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  17. From www.cosyclassics.ie:

    These guidelines being introduced on April 29th apply ONLY TO NEW/ UNREGISTERED VEHICLES. The process of re-registering your used vehicle as a camper will be unchanged.

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  18. Marta,
    Most camper insurance require a sink fitted.

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